Germany: Gov't rules out laws to prevent circumventing Saudi arms export ban

Maria Adebahr, spokesperson for the Foreign Office (German): «Maybe the Ministry of Economic Affairs would like to say something about this.» Tanja Alemany, spokesperson for the Ministry of Economic Affairs (German): «I just want to explain how it goes with our arms export control. If a company is located on our territory, it is also subject to the German arms export control regulations. If a... Еще company is located on another state's territory, for example in Italy or South Africa, it is subject to the local conditions. This is no different for minimum wage regulations and environmental standards than for arms control. This is also the case with subsidiaries of defence companies. If a product or any kind of know-how were transferred from the German company to a foreign subsidiary, the approval requirement, i.e. the German arms export control system would apply again.» Journalist (German): «Then the government doesn't see any subversion of the arms export control?» Tanja Alemany, spokesperson for the Ministry of Economic Affairs (German): «No. If it were a subversion, it would be punishable, as it always was in arms export control, and it would have to be investigated accordingly.» Journalist (German): «Experts were heard in reports yesterday, pointing out that there are laws in the US that could legally prevent, let's call it detours, or direct involvement of expertise in consultancy contracts. Is the Federal Government considering launching legislative initiatives in this direction in Germany, since what Rheinmetall is doing, at least politically, clearly contradicts the declared intention of the Federal Government?» Tanja Alemany, spokesperson for the Ministry of Economic Affairs (German): «It is your thesis that this is so, I would not make it my own. It is already regulated in Germany. Because every know-how that is exported abroad from Germany, whether to other countries or to subsidiaries, is already subject to arms export control. So it does not have to be regulated by law; it is already regulated.» Journalist (German): «Nevertheless, this subversion can actually take place. German arms manufacturers can produce and supply weapons which are not allowed to be exported from Germany through subsidiaries, and scientists with their know-how — that too has been part of the reporting — can directly conclude consultancy contracts, for example with Mohammed bin Salman. Such a thing is apparently in the US legally prohibited, but rather not in Germany. Therefore the question: Does the Federal Government plan to change German laws in this direction?» Tanja Alemany, spokesperson for the Ministry of Economic Affairs (German): «Again, it's the same question, so the answer will the same too: would there be a know-how transfer — that could be through blueprints or ideas or engineering knowledge — or would a real product, an arms product leave the country with an employee or otherwise or digitally, it would already be subjected to our arms export control. It is up to the company to abide by the law; this applies equally to other legal regulations. If this was undermined by applying such knowledge without authorisation, it would be punishable. In Germany, that is even very punishable.» Journalist (German): «Is it currently being examined whether Rheinmetall undermines this prohibition of a know-how transfer from Germany by a subsidiary operating a mortar factory together with the South African Denel in Saudi Arabia?» Tanja Alemany, spokesperson for the Ministry of Economic Affairs (German): «That would be, if there was an initial suspicion, the responsibility of the investigating authorities, as it is regulated in Germany. I can not give you any information about that.» Journalist (German): «Ms. Alemany, does the Federal Government know what Rheinmetall's South African subsi

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